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- How to build a personal roadmap
- How to do due diligence
- How to build a team effectively
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– Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Explode Your Expert Biz Show. And today we are here with the one and only, Ben Chai, aka 007, as we can see here. If you are just listening to the podcast, go scroll down and check the YouTube video so that you can see what I mean about 007. How are you doing agent 007?
– Well, actually, they call me the Doctor Who of business, and I am great, nice to meet you.
– That’s the best version of Ben Chai’s Italian accent so–
– Yeah, I’m not very good there, that’s true.
– Let’s stick with English for the time.
– I’ve never been good with language, not yet anyway.
– So Ben, before we get into how we build a seven-figure business, tell us a bit more about yourself and what got you to this point and doing what you do now with all the investment, the public speaking, the mentoring that you’re doing. Tell us a bit more about that.
– Well actually, probably the extreme bullying I went through as a child. At the time I wanted to commit suicide, and because we teach failure in business and one of the things that I was a failure at was suicide, in fact I was totally incompetent which was, probably just as well, really. So that bullying actually helped me create a lot of survival strategies and those survival strategies then evolved into success strategies. Without that kind of background I’m not sure, I mean, lots of people who say, “Yes, you would have been successful anyway,” but I don’t know that I would have been. So, in fact, we’ve got a film coming out soon called The Survivor, where I actually play somebody who needs some psychiatric help, which some of your viewers may or may not think after this interview, for extreme bullying and I’m going to this psychiatrist and sharing, actually recounting some real things that happened to me, as a child, and also not just as a child but within the home environment. Yeah.
– So you published recently a book called Social Magnetism.
– Social Magnetism, here it is!
– Here you go, Social Magnetism.
– It’s actually purple in Amazon, get it from me and I’ll charge you double.
– What a deal, what a great deal.
– I know.
– What a privilege. So, you wrote this book called the Social Magnetism and part of the book is also the journey that you had about being bullied. So how did you turn your life from being bullied, being really shy, to actually becoming, almost everywhere you go it’s impossible not to notice you. I mean, you are the personification of social magnetism. So what was the turning point for you?
– Maybe we should have called that book From Bullied to Bullionaire.
– I like Social Magnetism better. Let’s stick with that.
– So, yeah, so. Because of the length of this conversation it’s actually very difficult to go deep with you, although I do a little bit with you every so often.
– Yeah, there are different things that you can do to get noticed, if that’s what you want. I think I was noticed as a kid ’cause I was very tiny, and in the UK at the time we were growing up we were a very racist nation. I think we were used to coming the top three of the statistics in the countries in the world as being the most racist. So I faced that, but then my Dad’s job transferred us to Singapore, yay! And I guess people thought I would be less bullied ’cause I kinda look oriental and Chinese and stuff, although some people say I don’t, and some people say I do. I get confused what I look like these days. But there I got the same problems, I was bullied a lot, I was a very tiny boy and also I spoke with this fantastic English accent, and so I wasn’t like the other children at the time. So I was always noticed, but not in the right way.
– And what was the turning point for you? To when you decided, I need to change this, I don’t wanna play this anymore.
– Yeah, the victim anymore.
– Actually, it was by pure accident. And this sounds really weird and it’s very rare I share this, but when I went to university I met these crazy Christian people and I had an experience with God, if you like. And I guess that was the turning point for me, when I started reading the Bible and I found that the Bible is actually, take the religion aside for a second, it’s just full of great, great information that would help you be socially magnetic. You don’t have to read my book, you can just read the Bible, for that. And it has amazing business advice within that book. Now the problem with that book is it’s so difficult to read and get information out of it. Like, you read it and you think, oh this is a good story, but then you read it again and you think, actually they were saying that. And then you read it the third or fourth time and you sort of find out that they were saying the exact opposite. No wonder people argue so much about what…
-, yeah. So that was kind the little turning point for me. And there’s a phrase in, I think it’s a book called the Book of John, where it says that God wants you. Not because your parents had sex, or your mom was raped, or whatever it is, but because God just wants you, for you. And I think that kind of spoke volumes and suddenly I started feeling accepted on this planet, maybe not with the people around me, because I’d developed a personality. When you’re bullied a lot, you believe nobody loves you at all, and especially when a part of my growing up I was told how ugly I was within my family for years and years. So I felt like I wasn’t this beautiful handsome guy that I am today, and that nobody liked me. Yeah.
– Now, this definitely was a huge shift for you?
-Shifting on the left, on the right.
– Shifting myself, listening to you.
– You’ve built different businesses, you’ve built businesses in multiple industries, in the publishing space, in the training space, in the property space. What do you consider to be your biggest success, in business?
– In business, I consider the number of people that I’ve helped become financially free. My dad I believe helped about 11 people in his life and I thought, I’m going to double that as an adult, and I’ve actually helped probably in the region of thousands. Just from the notes I get from people and they’ve said, “Oh, you’ve really helped me in my career,” and blah blah blah blah, or “I’m financially free.” We just, actually, as you’re talking, just a few days ago I had a look at the statistics for a recent business I’d created, and we’ve hit the million, the seven-figure mark. So this was fantastic.
– The first one took me probably 14 or 15 years and this one has taken me three and a half years. But that’s because over time I’ve developed the contacts, I’ve developed the formula, I’ve developed my crazy personality to attract certain kinds of people. It doesn’t attract everyone and some people would find me just an imbecile when they meet me. I think actually you had problems, when you first met me.
– Sure, I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t know what to do. I was like, is this guy crazy or is this guy full of BS?
– Yes, exactly.
– I was like, or this guy’s the real deal or this guy is totally full of BS. And the more I got to know you, I realised your true nature.
– Yeah, he really is all those things.
– It was actually he’s the real deal.
– I was right the first time.
– You proved me wrong there.
– I think it was really funny when you were thinking of telling your business partner, “Should we throw him out?”
– Yeah, backstory, Ben came to one of our workshop for a day with his son Nate and it was actually, if you can find Nate Chai in the search bar, we had a great podcast with him on how to use words in content to attract investment and to attract clients, so make sure you check that episode out. So Ben and Nate came to the workshop and then I didn’t know, I was like, what’s gonna happen with Ben in the room. So we were ready, as a team, to say, if something happens let’s just take you out of the room. But actually, he proved us wrong, completely. Every time, he proved us wrong. And I think that’s something that makes you unique and that’s a good transition on the building of how do we build a seven-million business as well, is your personality that is unpredictable, it’s magnetic, as you write in the book, as well. So if someone wants, okay, actually, this a question for you, was it a choice that you said, “I want to build this personality,” or it kind of happened?
– So, my view on personality is we are all comedians. And you can be literally anybody you want. And I used to get really frustrated when people were told, “Just be yourself.” Like maybe you’ve got problems with dating and they’ll say, “Look, just when you’re out there with the guy or the girl, “just be yourself.” But we have different selves. We have our business self, we’ve got our child to parent self. if you’re a parent, you’ve got your parent to child self, you’ve got your you go out with your friends self, and there are some people that you are able to be more open with and deeper with than other people. So I have a different perspective on personalities. I’ve always wanted to be in an episode of Doctor Who or be Doctor Who myself so that’s why I created my Doctor Who persona, if you like, that people see. Which is this kind of very excentric crazy person who always has the right solution to get out of very different and difficult challenges.
– And that is actually the character of Doctor Who, so I based this one around that. I guess the real challenge for people when you build your personalities is who’s the real you, what is the authentic you. And you find that out in the things that they say and their actions. So for example, if I say I’m going to be here and then I’m there, you know that I’m reliable. Whereas other people will say, “Hey, I’m fantastic, blah blah blah, I’ll be there.” And then they’re not there. And you could buy into the words that they say or you can buy into their actions and how they deliver. And I think that’s the nice thing that we’ve had, that over time you’ve seen my own actions trying to enable you and your business to be even more awesome than you currently are.
– Oh, every time you’ve made lot of introductions, so there are people that say, “Yes, I care about you, I care about your business,” but then, when there is time to do something, they don’t do anything. Well, actions speaks always louder than words.
– Correct, correct.
– So, we have now, in terms of building the seven-figure business, that’s what we’re talking about. You have something called a personal roadmap.
– What is that? What is a personal roadmap?
– I think everyone kind of knows the concept of goals and how you should have goals and so, and what I like about your, from, what is it? From authority expert or expert to authority?
– Expert to authority.
– I get so confused but this gives you a little bit of branding and you can tell people a little bit more about it, so maybe I did that deliberately for you. So in that programme you actually have people break down those goals, right? And that’s part of the roadmap. And the really nice thing that you also do is you actually get them to execute on what they’ve written down. So, if you like, that blueprint is what I do for people. Although what you’re doing is creating the skeleton for people, ’cause you can’t, there’s only so much you can do with three days, and I’m going really deep and creating it from beginning to the final end. So say you want a million, I would go through all those components in a lot, lot of depth, all the areas that you would sabotage yourself in. For example, I get very greedy so I have to outsource the risk side to somebody who is not so intent on taking, “Oh Simone said I could take 10 million tomorrow “so I must invest 3 million with him!” You know? And would stop me from doing that and say, okay, let’s do some due diligence on Simone, let’s Google him, let’s see how many people he has made 10 million, let’s see how many people he’s helped, let’s look at his LinkedIn, his Facebook, let’s look at companies housed in the UK or in the States, there’s different cities you can find out who’s created X number of businesses and so on. So that gives you a flavour, it doesn’t give you everything, and in the property business it’s very difficult for people to find my assets, my asset base, just because they don’t know how many properties I have and how many companies which has these properties. So I kind of combine two things there, your blueprint, yes, with the kind of the due diligence, which is so, so important. We have, in the business industry, so many breakups, so many people who’ve lost money by investing in X Y Z because they didn’t do due diligence, they didn’t get testimonials on that person.
– Yeah. So, I’m going to talk about due diligence later on.
– I know, I know, I just skipped–
– We’re gonna get back to that one. Now, talking about the roadmap, this is personal roadmap, that’s what I’m really interested in, what element should people consider to make a really effective personal roadmap, financial personal roadmap?
– So, remember you’ve got your goal, yeah? ‘Cause you can only build the roadmap based around somebody’s goal. If they don’t have a goal, you can’t build the roadmap. It’s just a really, really simple thing. So you’ve said that you want a million, actually let’s call it 1.2 million ’cause that makes it very easy for me. Which means that you have to make roughly a 100,000 a month, which means you have to make 25,000 a week, and if you’re only gonna work five days that means you have to make 5,000 a day, and if you work 10 hours, 500 pounds an hour, right?
– So that’s, of course you can just kill it with one deal. But you still have to build a roadmap to that one deal to make your million. So that’s what I’m working on, I’m breaking it down, and then I’ll ask you your skillset. What skills do you have to make money? So if you said, “Well, I’m really good at cleaning cars,” I will break that down. So I think you can probably make 14 pounds if you’re really good every half an hour, cleaning a car. And I would say well there’s just no way you would make a million pounds cleaning cars, but you can make 100,000 if you do it like this. You go out, you get the business, and you pay people 8 pounds and you pocket the difference. And this is how many people you’ll need. Let’s have a look at some other skills you have. And what I’ll do is find a number of ways where you can earn passive income through online courses, selling those, excuse me, through property if you have enough to invest in that, through passive stocks, these are stocks that give you great dividends and automatically reinvest, and so on. And see if I can create several income streams for you to hit that seven figure in a year. And if I can’t, then I’ll just say look, this isn’t going to happen. You are too new at business, if you were 10 years on, so you’ve got a contact base and so on, perhaps I could make it happen. Yeah? So it really depends on your level and stuff and that’s what I do. And then they’ve got the roadmap and they can… And the next thing is, here is your map, now you can do that and follow the directions, or you can go off target. But if you go off target, if you get involved in crypto clocks, for example, now you’re distracted, you have to create a website, you have to learn about the benefits of crypto clocks, and so on. And that’s something else that people do, they do network marketing, they do investment and trading, they do property, they do their own business, and I’m thinking,
– It’s too much, it’s impossible–
– Go somewhere else,don’t bug me. Come back when you just wanna do one thing.
– So we have different elements for the roadmap. First of all you need to have the goal, then you’re understanding your skillset, what value can you provide, where are you at in business, so what are your assets, what are the things that you have, what are the things that are missing, and then from there you can decide, okay well, this is the strategy that is the most effective that will get you to that goal that you want to achieve, including passive income strategies with the properties and stocks and so on.
– Correct, correct. ‘Cause when you’re making money, when you’re making money, you don’t just leave it in the bank. So I would use that to create another income stream. So say, I have a site which I created with my son Nathan, Five Years to Financial Freedom, because we think it takes between five and seven years. So it’s an optimistic website, if you’ve never done business before, to hit your figure. And it’s really important that people understand that even with all the education in the world, the only thing they can do that will help them learn those lessons is their execution. And to have a go, mess up, and realign and have another go.
– You know, you asked me a question the first time we met, and I’m going to return the favour now. I’m gonna ask you the same question again here–
– Look, I have the gold medal, I’ve
– So the first time we met, I was on the stage and Ben asked me, do you think that by mentoring other people and by telling them what shortcuts there are, we are actually taking them away from a very important learning experience–
– Yeah, learning things in the hard way, yeah.
– Because it’s different when someone tells you what to do or you are experiencing it, of course the learning is very different. So what’s, I gave you my point of view, what’s your take on that?
– What’s my take on that?
– I actually asked you the question, it was a serious question, ’cause I was wrestling with it. Because I actually have helped people make a lot of money very quickly, but because they didn’t have that foundation and that internal understanding in their heart, it collapsed. They didn’t have that solid foundation and I felt I was stealing from them. There are other people, I mean, last year we invested probably nearly three quarters of a million in other people’s businesses, and there are certain things I want to see before I do that. But before I was giving people money and they, it was stupid, I was just losing money for nothing. There’s the lady I helped with a book, she wanted to do it by crowdfunding, failed, came back to me and asked me for the money, saying she’d pay me back, still hasn’t made enough money to pay me back. And it’s only 4-5 grant. So it was just stupid with me not giving and letting them learn those hard lessons. Recently I was attacked by someone ’cause they chased me to give ’em my opinion on some of their work, and their work is actually brilliant, but they were asking me to go deeper and I said, “Well look, I think in the long term you will have problems “because I’m finding parts of what you’re saying inauthentic “and other people will see it.” And essentially they had let people believe that they were a certain age when they wrote that piece when they were actually younger, and I feel that over time people would find out. It doesn’t matter once they get the age. So I just think you should just be yourself. And please, I made that mistake so many times, I was trying to big myself up, look at me, I’m so wonderful and I’ve done this and this and this, when I haven’t. So I just tell people, well I haven’t really done that. There was a company that said, “You can have the money, I like you.” Because they asked me, I think it was, yes, I was trying to buy a big office block and they said, “Well, I’ve had a look at your properties, “the most you seem to have done is a small conversion. “And we don’t invest in anybody who…” Look, it’s my phone, it’s ringing, I’m gonna throw it away. Hopefully you don’t hear it anymore. So I said, “Well, no, that thing that I built “was on the way “to what I wanted to build.” Can you hear my phone?
– I can hear your phone. Shall we switch it off so we can keep going?
– Hold on one second.
-Yes, please. So, as you can see, guys, this is, when we are talking about being on the spot.
– I like purple, purple’s lucky. If you want to make a lot of money, invest in purple things.
– That’s the new prediction. Anything purple, anything purple. In fact, your book has a purple cover, so invest in your book. Right, so, Ben. We’ve talked about–
– So because I said, and it’s just reframing what I said, what he said to me, “We don’t invest in people “’cause you’re after this amount “and the most you’ve done is bought something “and you’ve built an extension on it.” And he said, “Is that the biggest thing you’ve ever done?” And I said, “No, that was something I did “on the way to the biggest thing that I’m going to do.”
– That’s great. So it’s about, as you mentioned, being… Not bigging yourself up if you have not done stuff that you cannot prove or telling people things that are not true. Which then leads to the next part, which you were talking about, in terms of doing your due diligence. Now, in the business world, everything feels like or looks like a great opportunity. There are opportunities everywhere. And it’s very difficult to distinguish between a distraction, a real opportunity, or something that actually is not worth it. Do you have, for example, a kind of process or checklist or something that you go through when you do your due diligence?
– Absolutely. What is that roadmap that I’ve built for you? What are you trying to do in there? Does any opportunity work with that roadmap? Yes or no? No, it’s a distraction. It’s really simple. It’s a distraction. Now, if you wanna go off the road for your sake, fine. But it’s a distraction. I can make 300,000 tomorrow if I invest in crypto purple. That’s a distraction. Look, when I was running the tech company, my wonderful, he’s a great friend but he’d come up to me and he’d say, “Ben, my friends have just shown me a great opportunity “where we can make 300 grant in aluminium. “I’ve got this source and I can sell it, “blah blah blah blah, “we just need to get the customs and that’s fantastic. “We make 300,000, no money gap.” And I would say, “You do it.” You have tossed me with this roadmap we’re in, and everything else is a distraction. I don’t care how much money it’s going to give me and so on, it’s a distraction. Now, if something I’m doing I’m not really passionate about and I’m bored with, that’s a different thing. ‘Cause I can build roadmaps for people and they might think, “Well actually, I thought I wanted to do this “at the beginning but actually I don’t, it’s just not me.” So I get that, and we can rewrite another roadmap. But by then they’ll have got the technique on how to do it, ’cause I… One of the most frustrating aspects of my personality is, I don’t give people straight answers.
– No, you don’t.
– And there’s a reason for that. I want them to learn how to create it themselves, I really do. My daughter was so angry with me one day, she said, “Dad, you know the answer, you just tell me “because otherwise I’m just gonna scream.” So I told her the answer then.
– So if you want an answer from Ben, you can start screaming in public and that’s the secret.
– It’s funny actually, one of my great friends who I coached and now he’s my business partner, in fact we created a seven-figure business with him, Miles. I had one more coaching session with him and I just told him what to do, he said to me, “You’ve never told me how to do this. “You’re always making me think, blah blah.” I said, “I thought you deserved a reward.”
– And is that, that links with the last part of the interview which is about building a team. In your opinion, what did you find that is the best way to build teams? Because in the entrepreneurial space, in particular in the expert world, people tend to do a lot by themselves.
– They do, they do.
– They tend to think that they have to do everything. I came from the catering industry, you know, the catering industry, I was a waiter and there was the chef and there was the restaurant manager, and we were all doing different things. And then I started my business and I just put my head down and forgot that I could outsource stuff to other people. So what do you find is the best way to build a team around you?
– Okay, so, the team aspect is the hardest thing to do. Money, I know some people watching it may think money is very hard for them, they may be in a great difficult situation, but the hardest thing is to get a good, good team around you and probably that’s why a lot of people do things on their own. And we’re talking about good people, people they can 100% trust. As I said earlier, there are so many breakups in the entrepreneurial world, so you really have to find people who like you for you. They have to, if you’re a quiet kind of person, they have to like a quiet kind of person. If you have outbursts but deep down you have a good heart, then they have to like those outbursts. I personally don’t. So if people are coming to me having these outbursts and calming down, I don’t like that personality, I don’t want to be in business, I don’t want them anywhere near me. Although they are fantastic people, they are really wonderful people. If people who are, in their heads, trying to educate other people about bullying but they’re always talking about how they were beaten up and so on, I don’t want those people in my team. I’ve been through that stuff but I don’t wish to particularly broadcast it. Something you don’t know, Simone, is I’m highly autistic, but I don’t broadcast that, well now I have,I’ve told you. So that’s why I actually had to learn how to connect with people, social magnetism, ’cause I didn’t know how to do it. And when you are bullied and so on, you develop zero, zero, two zeroes, ability to connect with people, so it was something I had to learn over time and something that I’m constantly learning about. So you have to find people who like you, you have to find people with similar values to you, and then you have to find people who are honest. They will tell you their problems in terms of their weaknesses. So I’ve shared one of my weaknesses, like I get really greedy in the trading industry. If I was trading in stock market I’d find great, great stocks that would go up 3, 4, 5, 10 times and I would still be holding on ’cause I believe it’s gonna go higher or I can just get a little bit more out of it. So that’s why I don’t do that, or I outsource that kind of, if you like, aspect of the business to somebody who is stronger than me. And that’s the other thing I get concerned about in the industry is, people trying to fix all their weaknesses so they are Superman. And I think this is crazy. Some of them have had 30 years of a bad habit that they have to undo, “Oh you can get a new habit in 30 days,” this is crap, this is so crap, it’s so ingrained in you, it’ll take you six months to a year at least. “Yeah but scientists say, scientists say,” no, no, just find someone who’s–
-Who can do that better than you.
– And you can trust, absolutely.
– So finding the last team was, so Miles and Lex I’d already met in the publishing world and we got on well together, and Ky Le came as an introduction to somebody else and we get on, and she brought in Pete, who we also get on very well. But we also have, if you like, complimentary skillsets, we overlap. It’s okay to overlap on skills. Sometimes people want everyone to be so totally different. But in a small business you do sometimes need people to overlap in skillsets, specially when if you want to have a holiday, and that’s a great thing about having teams, you can have holidays.
– You went on holiday recently, didn’t you?
– Yeah, and I’m going to one other soon, yeah now I got almost holidays probably at least every couple of months that I’m going away. But I couldn’t that, no, I couldn’t do it before.
– Even if you wanted an online business you can’t do that without a team. Because you’re thinking of fulfilment, blah blah blah.
– Absolutely, absolutely. And I actually started taking holidays after seven years of being in business and not taking any holiday at all for seven years. Well, I wasn’t taking holidays even when I was working ’cause I was just taking more work on, but that’s a bit more my workaholic nature.
– Yeah, well, I’m a bit of a work, I don’t think I’m a workaholic, I just love seeing other people being successful. I’m addicted to your success.
– Oh thank you, man. Now, we’re going to the part of the interview, which is the last part, which is called lifting the veil, where I ask you to share a tool or resources, an app, something that you’re using that makes your life or business better. What’s that for you?
– Lifting the veil.
– Lifting the veil, we have a veil,yeah. If you didn’t watch the video, you’re just listening, we have a veil–
– So one tool that’s being very useful, I am sure to say this, is our book Social Magnetism. Now, if you don’t like reading, I actually do have a TED Talk on Social Magnetism so please do have a look at that TED Talk, which gives you the three most important skills to, if you like, have in your life in connecting with the right people, either for teams or for suppliers or for customers.
– Perfect. So, Social Magnetism, there’s going to be the link here in the show notes and you can also look at the link in the show notes of Ben’s TED Talk. Now Ben, it’s been a pleasure having you here–
– Is that only one tool?
– Oh, do you want, do you have another tool? Give another tool.
– I’ve got hundreds of tools.
– Okay, give me one more and then we’ll wrap up.
– Oh man.
– Give me one more.
– The other tool that you really want to develop is your personality. As you’ve seen in some of my posts, business is a people sport, so you need to get really good at being with people. I’m an introvert myself so I have my stage kind of persona, if you like, which is mixed with a lot of my introversial, introversial? Introvert personality. But you have to be good at connecting with people, you have to be good at looking after them and seeing them just as amazing valuable people. They may not always resonate with you so you can walk away from them but in your head they are amazing people. So there are people that I don’t have time for but I think they are good and I think they are necessary, sometimes evil, I might rant about them but I think… I had a big discussion with somebody about people who rip people off and they said, “Well, how else do we teach them due diligence “if they don’t get ripped off?” So hey, don’t hate me for me saying this, this is me quoting somebody else here. But in a sense it’s true, it really is. So develop a great personality that wants to love
– Well you know what, it makes such a good sense when you’re talking about how do we develop due diligence. I knew that I had to do due diligence but it wasn’t up until the first time I got ripped off that I started taking it seriously, so. Experience is the mother of all the skills that we get. So now, Ben, if people want to get in touch with you, follow you, or see some of your talks, where they can go?
– Well, they can go to Google. You just put my name, Ben Chai, into Google and you’ll see tonnes of my videos, my crazy videos, my business videos, my dance videos, all of those are in there. I’ve deliberately left in a lot of my videos, my rubbish videos, because I don’t want people to think that I was just successful overnight, so I want them to see some of my work when it was very embryonic, like my parenting series. I did a series on parenting ’cause everyone wanted to know how come I helped my children be successful and so on and how did I grow them up. But if you look at the quality, it’s terrible, but I’ve deliberately left those there. The other way is I’m on social media, BenChaiOfficial in Instagram, Facebook is Ben Chai, and the world is Ben Chai, how lucky am I for this? You know, I’ll tell you what. If you’re up for this, Simone, I do have, remember we talked about that blueprint, so I do have a collection of blogs which I’ve put and I’ve created an ebook around it, so if they want, they comment and say, “Hey, I loved Ben’s crazy, out-of-the world book “on how to hit all my goals,” then that’s I’m very happy to send to your lovely viewers.
– That would be great. If you have a link, we can put a link below, or otherwise you can connect with Ben. ‘Cause there are some people that will connect on Facebook, other people will be on the podcast, so if you have a link, we can put a link in the show notes or otherwise connect with Ben and he will send you all the–
– Can we make them work for it, Simone?
– We’ll make them work for it? Yeah, tell me.
– Should I say they have to tell me the three things in the Social Magnetism TED Talk that will help them become successful in their interactions with people.
– Alright, well, we can make them work, it’s your call. If you want you can send me the link or we can make them work, it’s up to you.
– When they reply, I’ll send them the copy of the ebook.
– Okay, fantastic. So you can get a copy of the ebook, guys. Ben, thank you very much, it’s been an absolute pleasure having you on the show, thanks a lot.
– Thank you, bye.
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